Female Buddhas

topic posted Tue, September 8, 2009 - 12:56 PM by  PooPooNorbu
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I love female BUDDHAS. I was wondering if anyone could list some undisputed female BUDDHAS on here. I know of only Achi Chokyi Drolma and vajrayogini/vajravahari. Thanks.
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  • Re: Female Buddhas

    Tue, September 8, 2009 - 4:33 PM
    How about Yeshe Tsogyal and Mandarava - and I think Machig Labdron...?

    Emaho!

    gri
    • Re: Female Buddhas

      Tue, September 8, 2009 - 5:13 PM
      Yes grihastha, they are also emanations of vajrayogini and tara like Achi. I should have made my question : was wondering if there were any female buddhas that were not emanation of vajrayogini . Is Palden Lhamo a buddha? Most of the females always seem to get classified as "goddess" or "bodhisattva" at best sadly.
  • Re: Female Buddhas

    Tue, September 8, 2009 - 11:58 PM
    The term Buddha in Pali is Bodhurdha in Sanskrit. The term Buddha in Sanskrit means something near but very different from its use in Pali. Buddha in Sanskrit means "having realised". Where as Buddha in Pali means "Beyond Perception". So long one is coursing in Perfection of Wisdom(Bodhi) one is known as a Bodhisattva. When a Bodhisattva, Wisdom-Identity passes through Non-Identity or Nirvana, such an One is known as a Buddha.

    There are two sections of Buddhas as well Bodhisattvas:

    1. The mortals or the persons who are/were in practice of Perfection of Wisdom to attain Nirvana known as mortal Bodhisattvas. They are many.
    Mortal Buddhas are Them Who have transcended even the identity connected to Perfection of Wisdom. Mortal Buddhas of our aeon are 7 including Sakyamuni as the latest according to Theravada and Mahayana while Tantrayana and Vajrayana adds 2 more to the list and they are Lord Nagarjuna and Lord Padmasambhva. Achintapuri Vihara or today's Ajanta caves show Maitreya as the last of the mortal Buddhas of this aeon or first of Them for the next aeon.

    2. The celestials or the personifications of the various stages of Perfection of Wisdom known as celestial Bodhisattvas often called gods and goddesses. They are many.
    Celestial Buddhas are Them Who represent the various Buddha realisations. They are 7 majors till update until Maitreya adds a new dimension! They are :
    i) Ratnaketu, the idol of Arhat-hood
    ii) Amitava, the idol of Bhagavat-hood
    iii) Vairochana, the idol of Samyak-Buddha-hood
    iv) Akshobha, the idol of Sam-Buddha-hood
    v) Amoghasiddhi, the idol of Pra-Buddha-hood / Tathagata-hood
    vi) Vajrasattva, the idol of Indestructible-Identity / Identity of No-Identity
    vii) Adi Buddha Vajradhara, the idol of Primordial-Widom-Holder

    Before Vajrayana a female form was not believed to be ever capable of attainment of Nirvana marked by Sakyamuni. So Tara as the female counterpart of each Buddha was recognised as the highest female Bodhisattva or Budhha-Shakti but not Buddha! That is why all Mahayana texts as well as the Tantrayana texts do not attribute a female form as a Buddha, but Bodhisattva. It was Padmasambhava Who first recognised Khandro Yeshe Chhogyal (Vijaya/Jayantika Devi) as a Buddha in a female form. in Sky Dancer She Herself has proclaimed so.

    Vajrayogini is a semi-wrathful aspect of Pandhara, the Red Tara and is recognised as a celestial Bodhisattva in Mahayana and Tantrayana. Sridevi / Remati / Mahkalika / Kalratri (Paldhen Lhamo) is an aspect of Mamaki, the Blue Tara and hence a Bodhisattva according to both Mahayana and Tantrayana.

    In Vajrayana after Buddha-hood of Khandro Chhogyal, Taras have been recognised as Buddhas. The concept of 10,000 Buddhas has come from Vajrayana only. But we mix up Vajrayana and Mahyana principles very often in Tibetan Buddhism and loose clarity of the gradual development of the yanas. Specially after Gelukpa teachings have come to historical existence a trial to reform old Vajrayana in terms of Mahayana has been over-done. This may be the reason that the old orthodox schools do not accept Gelukpa teachings so much in Tibetan Buddhism. According to Sadhanamala Tantra which is a Tantrayana text, no female deity has been recognised as a Buddha. But, in Nishpannayogavali which is a Vajrayana text celestial Buddha-Shaktis have been recognised as equal to the Buddhas. In this standpoint Nairatma (Self-Voidness), Samantabhadri (Equipoise), Ushnisha Vijaya (Victory over Buddha-mark as ushnisha), Ratnadhatishwari, Pandhara, Vajravairochani, Mamaki, Tara (Matangi), Vajradhatishwari and Prajnaparamita are all equal to Buddhas or can be termed as Female Buddhas. The recognising factors in these two different cases of Taras recognised as a Bodhisattva and a Buddha in the iconology are:
    1. Taras as Bodhisattvas would hold the effigy of their particular Buddhas as their sires on their crowns.
    2. Taras as Buddhas are not found with Buddha-effigies on there crown. In place of such Their Crowns bear the Mantra of Their particular family or coloured jewels to represent such.

    I always had revolting questions about Lord Buddha's belief of woman unfit for Nirvana when He Himself calls Perfection of Wisdom as The Mother of all Buddhas and Bodhisattvas and personifies It as Tara, The Saviouress! The questions are :

    1.If Perfection Of Wisdom is personified by Himself as the Mother of Buddhas and Bodhisattvas, why womanhood is not considered ready for Nirvana?
    2. Did Sakyamuni Buddha not discover the capability of womanhood to full enlightenment? Was He gender-centric?
    3. Did Buddha Padmasambhava make a mistake in recognising Khandro Chhogyal as The Lady Buddha?
    4. Can full enlightenment be derived out of The Mother Principle That is not recognised as full enlightenment?
    5. Why Tara, The Saviouress was so called if not recognised as Buddha in Mahayana?

    It will be very helpful to discuss over this points in connection to the topic of "Female Buddhas" but at the same time I am afraid that if my questions are recognised as sabotage against any religious view point!



    • Re: Female Buddhas

      Wed, September 9, 2009 - 4:16 AM
      Thanks for replying, Khyapababaji.

      I'm particularly interested in finding out the answer to your question 4, which is most relevant to me as someone approaching Vajrayana from a Shakta position.

      Not being a scholar, I apologize for my simplistic views, but at present my understanding of deity 'gender' in Vajrayana is that the female principle is generally represented under the catch-all of 'dakini,' which seems to side-step the issue of Buddhahood, but not preclude it.

      Emaho!

      gri
  • Re: Female Buddhas

    Wed, September 9, 2009 - 5:08 AM

    All females (and males) all are Buddhas yet to be awakened. :)
    • Please awaken now all budhhas!

      Wed, September 9, 2009 - 9:01 AM
      I am talking awake buddhas! Not filthy buddhanatures! haha. Padmasambhava said it was much easier for women to become enlightened than men. I believe he is right. Something about a prick makes things difficult! The word "prick" came from american men back in the witch burning days who carried needles and would shamelessly stick any woman they pleased. If the woman didn't react to the needle stick they were considered a witch and burned. After being bombarded by random needles all day they became immune and stop reacting.
      I have heard that women were not allowed to own land in ancient India and so that is why lineage was never past to them. The ancient stuff says you must be in a male body to become enlightened. Gampopa says vagina semen is unclean but somehow male semen is holy. I am with Kaluvadhuta with my wondering of prajnaparamita.

      When I first read Jewel Ornament of Liberation, I was deeply wondering why it said ballsacks were holy and vaginas not. I could not understand how balls could EVER be holy! I prayed for an answer to this question. I felt a strong pain all of a sudden, I realized I had a broken mala-bead sticking into my nuts! Ah thank you for answer! :)
      • Re: Please awaken now all budhhas!

        Wed, September 9, 2009 - 12:32 PM
        I find this discussion quite interesting. As with most discussions on this tribe, I learn a great deal by the end of it. However, I would like to remind you (you as in the general audience) that, though we may revere these great historical figures as Buddhas or whathaveyou, we must be aware that above all they, and those to follow them, were human. More specifically, male humans. As with all cultures across the globe, the history and belief structure here was created by humans, for humans, and as such is subject to the shortsightedness & bigotries of humanity. "Why would women not be viewed as ready for nirvana/buddhahood?" Simple, the culture of the time did not allow for women to even think of such a thing, so therefore, the religious heads of the day would not allow for it either.

        Always be mindful of the time & place that something comes from. Nothing is absolute.
        • Re: Please awaken now all budhhas!

          Wed, September 9, 2009 - 1:01 PM
          Right on Devon!
          I feel like a fundamentalist bible reader that takes every single word literally! The true wisdoms of ancient times is still true today. Those that are not, are not truly wisdom because wisdom is timeless! Thanks.

          P.S.
          I guess women would have had too much power. They are source of life and already have too much control. :)
          Just kidding.



        • Re: Please awaken now all budhhas!

          Thu, September 17, 2009 - 10:16 AM
          Devon, you are right in many ways about answering from your heart the questions but it needs real clarity of explanation with experiential knowledge and cause and effect analysis.
    • Re: Female Buddhas

      Thu, September 17, 2009 - 10:14 AM
      It feels sad Nagpa Bill, that a person of your claimed starture of practice cannot answer the questions and bifurcates to some ideal statement which is not the answer to the questions. I expected proper answers from you about whom as one of 'them' Mark warned all to be specifically be apt with respect. Are the questions not in the subject matter of Tibetan Buddhism?
      • Re: Female Buddhas

        Fri, September 18, 2009 - 11:04 AM
        I make you sad? I hope that is just your expression and not really your emotional state. I doubt I impact your emotions as such.

        I have made no such claims to you (or anyone that you know) regarding my stature or practice. I was asked to "moderate" this group by my Vajra sibling, Mark. I was not asked to teach or be anyone's spiritual counselor....only to "moderate".

        When I join a discussion, I am no different than any other participant with the exception of occasionally having to remove an offensive posting or non related subject posting.

        That said....my "bifurcation" expresses my view.

        ...an yes, the questions I have read thus far reflect the subject matter of Tibetan Buddhism. I have not had to remove any post to date and appreciate everyone's keeping the discussion focused.

        I hope you are happier soon.
        • Re: Female Buddhas

          Fri, September 18, 2009 - 1:15 PM
          Happy, happy, joy, joy. Let us invoke all the enlightened beings of our lineages, male and female. Let's accept (and celebrate) their love and wisdom and power. Let's use our skills and capacities to establish ourselves and others in a state of real peace, real freedom and real happiness!

          I'm not afraid to be a fool!

          Thank you all lineage holders! Love and devotion and gratitude,

          Cliff in Cleveland
        • Re: Female Buddhas

          Tue, October 6, 2009 - 10:35 PM
          Respected Ngakpa Bill,

          I did not say that you claimed so. It is your "Vajra-sibling" who warned all to be proper with very important personalities including you before he left. I expected that a person like you would not bifurcate an important discussion which is of course quite controversial but at the same time needs to be cleared because we are in a time when Tantras and Sutras are getting mismatched by even teachers of the lineages. I think it is a very poignant point that should haunt every sincere Vajra-Buddhists mind and that they all should take to research on the spiritual project of 'lineage responsibilities' to build up a bridge between the Great Two through their Cause-&-Effect analysis originating from their experiential wisdom out of sincere practices to through some lights on doubtful matters of a practicing religion and it's principles. So, I was sad that my expectations to a practicing ngakpa was not fulfilled. And I firmly believe as a tantrika that pure emotional experiences are more fruitful than just participating in intellectual boundaries. I really appreciated your views in other discussions and so expected you not to bifurcate the serious questions I presented before you all to sincerely offer my doubts about the styles of practice and teaching that cannot or does not like to answer these questions. My sadness have grown over 25 years of research on Tantra-Sutra cognition with lamas with over 29 years of perpetual practice of 84 samadhis to complete my journey till where I am standing today. One of my most revered persons, Chattral Rinpoche "ordered" me through one of His four-line dohas He blessed me with, to carry on this research. But this research needs real practitioners who will answer these doubts till unanswered and mostly bifurcated. Whom else to research with but ngakpas????? That much you have claimed by your name in the tribe that I suppose, with respect.

          Sadness and happiness are both there in us to find out the way to neutralize both to Voidness by crystal analysis along the Principle and Practice.

          By the Grace of The Masters I will ever love to follow the Middle Path by finding it right in between the two opposites through the Principle of Pratitya Samudpat, The Dependable Origination.

          Love.........................Kulavadhuta Satpurananda....................................
  • Re: Female Buddhas

    Sat, September 19, 2009 - 2:50 PM
    Female Buddha Kwan Yin or Guan Yin
    According to one legend, Kwan Yin, who is often referred to as the female Buddha, was a beautiful Indian princess who forsook marriage and the good life to live in a convent in order to become a truly enlightened human being, or bodhisattva. By turning her back on a life of luxury and seeking out spiritual enlightenment, her life story is similar in theme to that of the historical Buddha, Prince Siddhartha Gautama. Both individuals eventually became thoroughly enlightened and compassionate spiritual beings, who sought to alleviate mankind's sufferings. Talk about more joy in Tushita Heaven!
    After having achieved enlightenment and the right to enter Buddhist Heaven or Nirvana, legend has it that at Heaven's gates Kwan Yin heard the despairing cry of someone back on earth. Upon hearing that sad cry, she quickly returned to the earthly plane, and vowed to stay there to help all those who suffer achieve the same level of enlightenment that she had, so that they too could enter Nirvana. Kwan Yin's name means "The one who hears the cries of the world."

    Guanyin (Chinese: 觀音; pinyin: guān yīn; Wade-Giles: kuan-yin, Japanese: Kannon, Korean: Gwan-eum) is the bodhisattva associated with compassion as venerated by East Asian Buddhists, usually as a female. The name Guanyin is short for Guanshi'yin (觀世音, pinyin: guānshì yīn, Wade-Giles: kuan-shih yin) which means "Observing the Sounds (or Cries) of the World".
    It is generally accepted (in Chinese community) that Guanyin originated as the Sanskrit Avalokiteśvara (अवलोकितेश्वर), which is her male form. Commonly known in the West as the Goddess of Mercy, Guanyin is also revered by Chinese Taoists as an Immortal. However, in Taoist mythology, Guan Yin has other origination stories which are not directly related to Avalokiteśvara.



    Names in East Asia

    Due to devotional popularity of Guanyin in East Asia, she is known by many names, most of which are simply the localized pronunciations of "Guanyin" or "Guanshiyin":
    Guanshiyin changed to Guanyin under the naming taboo of Emperor Taizong of Tang.
    In Japanese, Guanyin is pronounced Kannon (観音), occasionally Kan'on, or more formally Kanzeon (観世音, the same characters as Guanshiyin); the spelling Kwannon, based on a pre-modern pronunciation, is sometimes seen.
    In Korean, the Bodhisattva is called Gwan-eum (관음) or Gwanse-eum (관세음).
    In Thai, the name is called Kuan Eim (กวนอิม) or Prah Mae Kuan Eim (พระแม่กวนอิม) due in part to the influence of the Chinese Thai population.
    In Vietnamese, the name is Quán Âm or Quán Thế Âm.
    In Hong Kong and Guangdong Province the name is pronounced Kwun Yum or Kun Yum in the Cantonese language.
    In Indonesian, the name is Kwan Im or Dewi Kwan Im referring the word Dewi as Devi or Goddess.
    In these same countries, especially Japan, the variants Kanjizai ( 観自在) and Kanzejizai (観世自在) are also found in the Heart Sutra, among other sources

    Legends of the Mahayana School of Buddhism recount that Kwan Yin was 'born' from a ray of white light which The Amitabha Buddha emitted from his right eye while he was deep in spiritual ecstasy.

    Kwan Yin is regarded as an emanation of The Amitabha Buddha and as anembodiment of compassion, the quality which Amitabha himself embodies in the highest sense.


    Symbols characteristically associated with Kwan Yin are a willow branch, with which she sprinkles the divine nectar of life; a precious vase symbolizing the nectar of compassion and wisdom, the hallmarks of a bodhisattva; a dove, representing fecundity; a book or scroll of prayers which she holds in her hand, representing the dharma (teaching) of the Buddha or the sutra (Buddhist text) which Miao Shan is said to have constantly recited; and a rosary adorning her neck with which she calls upon the Buddhas for succor.
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      K
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      Re: Female Buddhas and Miranda Shaw book

      Sat, September 19, 2009 - 3:09 PM
      Re LLDD:
      " I was wondering if anyone could list some undisputed female BUDDHAS on here."

      Two more realized women are Niguma of India, and Sukhasiddhi of India.
      These are the goddess sources of the Shangpa Kagyu lineage, in which I ( also ) practice, throuhg HH Kalu Rinbochay.

      Of the Eighty Four Great Adepts of Ancient Indian Mahamudra lineage, four are female.
      There are female adepts in the pre-Tibetan Great Perfection, as well. See book "Wellsprings of the Great Perfection".
      Among these Gurudakini Mandarava is of great importance.

      See the key text
      Passionate Enlightenment (Paperback)
      by Miranda Shaw

      www.amazon.com/Passionate.../0691010900

      This is a very beautiful and inspiring text with many source material excerpts regarding great early period women practitioners. It is a sacred text I recommend to all, especially to female practitioners and goddess practitioners.

      Best,

      KT

      Sarva mangalam!
      • K
        K
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        Re: Female Buddhas and Cundi

        Sat, September 19, 2009 - 3:21 PM
        Re LLDD:
        "Anymore she-buddhas that can stand alone without consort?"

        There are quite a few.
        In East Asia, Cundi is a major Buddhist goddess. The empowerment is quite rare. I have it twice.

        Prajnaparamita is a fundamental Buddhist goddess.

        KrisnaKali / Troma Nagmo is of *enormous* importance in the Nyingma lineage, and much practiced. This is the Buddhist version of the Hindu Kali.

        I have Great Perfection Troma empowerments in four different lineages, including full Dudjom Tersar Troma and full Chokling Tersar Troma. These are both magnificent and encompassing cycles of empowerment, with Padmasambhava empowerment built in, etc. The fourth, a "Red Troma" is part of the Fourfold Essence ( Yabshi ), but I have no text for that.

        Simhamukha is a much practiced wrathful wisdom goddess for both Nyingma and Sakya. She is the fierce form of Dakini Guhyajnana, at least in Nyingma.

        Dakini Ekajati is crucial in Nyingma practice, and there is an "unrelated" form of Ekajati Tara in the Sakya transmission of Two Armed Mahakala.

        So yeah, tons of goddess polytheism in Buddhist tantra, Old School or New School.

        Best, KT
        • Re: Female Buddhas and Cundi

          Sat, September 19, 2009 - 6:06 PM
          Thanks MITESH but this being kuanyin is avalokiteshvara a buddha that has decided to be bodhisattva and female for skillful means.
          Thanks KT awesome I thought you were just a spam-bot! :)
    • Re: Female Buddhas

      Sat, September 19, 2009 - 3:47 PM
      dew drops are waiting in my eye ............just to fall
      because i know no one recognize me
      not now ................ so just you miss me
      and yeas pass ...and i realize
      dew drops are waiting
      when Buddha recognize self
      and Mara (self): say "You who go where others dare not; Will you be my God? The architect of my house?"
      Mara: "You who go where others dare not; Will you be my God? The architect of my house?"
      Siddhartha: "Finally I meet the illusion of self; Your evil house will not be built again."
      Mara: "But you live in me; I am your house."
      Siddhartha: "O, trickster; phantom of my own ego, you are pure illusion. You, self, do not exist. The earth is my witness.": "Finally I meet the illusion of self; Your evil house will not be built again."
      Mara( self ): "But you live in me; I am your house."
      Siddhartha: "O, trickster; phantom of my own ego, you are pure illusion. You, self, do not exist. The earth is my witness."
      this is how Siddhartha become a buddha and this earth never know how i become a buddha
      dew drops are waiting ............
      my realization of self this earth never know ..........now ..

      in this movement .......
      .dew drops are waiting in my eye ..........
      ..just to fall ...
      new child birth is happening . and remembering .. penis in my cunt
      and just witnessing this ...
      and i become a mother
      dew drops are waiting in my eye .....


      and when i going to the search ..............like a siddhartha
      my realization of self this earth never know ..........now .
      dew drops are waiting in my eye ............just to fall
      and seeing this .........witnessing this ... falling dew drops.....
      i become a Female Buddha
      and my realization of self this earth never know

      seeing this .........witnessing this ... falling dew drops.....

      only wind is my witness ........... seeing this .........witnessing this ... falling dew drops..... from my eye ... i become Female Buddha
      • Re: Female Buddhas

        Sat, September 19, 2009 - 4:13 PM
        you and i found the ultimate truth about self when you say " i miss you " on the path of unknown and again......... seeing this .........witnessing this ... falling dew drops..... and we be come Be - Zh'an
        • Re: Female Buddhas

          Sat, September 19, 2009 - 6:33 PM
          Maybe (being a) Buddha has no gender. Maybe we see the need to notice the difference(s) between male Buddha, female Buddha, but it is nothing, no difference.

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