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Okay...because I seem to be avoiding my BioChemistry homework still, I figured I would pose this little question to the brilliant minds here.
So...What's Love Got To Do With It?
Where does love fit into the practice of a buddhist/yogi/etc? What kind of love would you say qualifies as that which would benefit someones practice and what kinds of love should be avoided? Does love always breed attachment and as such a reluctance to surrender that which is the object of said love? Is it possible to feel that need for attachment, yet still be able to let go? Do we all run the risk of being Anakin Skywalker and going all crazy-homicidal?
What are your thoughts on these questions...and the concept of love in general?
Is it true? All you need is love?
okay...I'm done with the punns....now off to studying with hot tea in hand. :)
So...What's Love Got To Do With It?
Where does love fit into the practice of a buddhist/yogi/etc? What kind of love would you say qualifies as that which would benefit someones practice and what kinds of love should be avoided? Does love always breed attachment and as such a reluctance to surrender that which is the object of said love? Is it possible to feel that need for attachment, yet still be able to let go? Do we all run the risk of being Anakin Skywalker and going all crazy-homicidal?
What are your thoughts on these questions...and the concept of love in general?
Is it true? All you need is love?
okay...I'm done with the punns....now off to studying with hot tea in hand. :)
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Re: Love
Thu, October 1, 2009 - 11:33 PMLove should always be welcomed and given. Spontaneous and free. Now the attachment to an empty form in your mind you call love is what should be avoided.
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Thu, October 1, 2009 - 11:50 PMTrust your guts. What is virtuous is virtuous...... what is not virtuous IS NOT VIRTUOUS!
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Fri, October 2, 2009 - 8:24 AMPerhaps this will give a clearer answer :-)
www.youtube.com/watch
"To love is to suffer from too much happiness" - she says.
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Re: Love
Fri, October 2, 2009 - 2:50 PMI found this version helpful when someone asked me that question-
LOVE
The definition of love in Buddhism is: wanting others to be happy.
This love is unconditional and it requires a lot of courage and acceptance (including self-acceptance).
The "near enemy" of love, or a quality which appears similar, but is more an opposite is: conditional love (selfish love, see also the page on attachment).
The opposite is wanting others to be unhappy: anger, hatred.
A result which one needs to avoid is: attachment.
This definition means that 'love' in Buddhism refers to something quite different from the ordinary term of love which is usually about attachment, more or less successful relationships and sex; all of which are rarely without self-interest. Instead, in Buddhism it refers to de-tachment and the unselfish interest in others' welfare.
'Even offering three hundred bowls of food three times a day does not match the spiritual merit gained in one moment of love.'
Nagarjuna
"If there is love, there is hope that one may have real families, real brotherhood, real equanimity, real peace. If the love within your mind is lost and you see other beings as enemies, then no matter how much knowledge or education or material comfort you have, only suffering and confusion will ensue"
His Holiness the Dalai Lama from 'The little book of Buddhism'
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Sat, October 3, 2009 - 12:27 AMIt is preferable to become knowledgable in the dharma before you go on some great mission "giving happiness". The missionaries that went to afghanistan had great intents of "giving happiness" and easing suffering, but they had no skillful means and had their heads cut-off! It didn't do anyone any good certainly not for themselves! You must have "skillful means".
You must respect others but make sure others respect you as well. Shariputra compassionately gave his eyeball to a man because he asked for it and he thought it might do the man some good. After recieving Shariputra's eyeball the man stomped on it! Shariputra asked the man what he was doing!? And the man casually said, "He enjoyed hearing the "squish" noise that eyeballs make when they are crushed!
Love and Light!
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Sat, October 3, 2009 - 2:43 AMIt is always good to be loving but NOT always good to be "giving" do you understand ? It is still a very hard one for me. -
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I found this by Lama Surya Das It explains your question Perfectly.... his book "Be Here Now" was first buddhist book I had ever seen as a small kid.
Sun, October 4, 2009 - 4:07 AM"If one's thoughts towards spirituality
were of the same intensity as those towards love,
one would become a Buddha
in this very body, in this very life."
--from the Love Poems of the Sixth Dalai Lama
Valentine's Day is one of my favorite American holidays. The fact that this heart-centered if over-commercialized day falls around the same time as Tibetan New Year reminds me to make new year's resolutions relating to those I love and renew my commitment to cultivating goodness of heart. These resolutions usually involve opening my heart and mind; listening better; learning to forgive and to love even those I don't like; and coming to accept and bless the world, rather than fighting with it or trying to escape from it. As Zen Master Dogen says: "To study the Buddha Way is to be intimate with all things."
Some say we are here in this world to learn and to evolve in consciousness. Certainly primary among life's lessons is how to love and to love well, and to BE love, as well to give and receive it. I believe love is central to happiness, growth and fulfillment.
How would Buddha love? By seeing every single being, human and otherwise, as fundamentally like himself, and thus able to treat them and love them in the way he would be treated. We call this infinitely benevolent, selfless love, Bodhicitta or the Awakened Heart, the very spirit of enlightenment.
One can find this taught beautifully in the "Loving-kindness Sutra"; in Shantideva's classic "The Way of the Bodhisattva"; in Atisha's "Mind Training and Attitude Transformation"; and in Togmed's "Thirty Seven Practices of Bodhisattvas"... As well as in the Old Testament.
Each relationship and every single encounter can be a vehicle for meaningful spiritual connection, through the transformative magic of Bodhicitta. Buddha taught that this Bodhicitta or spiritual love has four active arms, known as the Four Boundless Heartitudes, and four expressive faces known as the Four Forms of Compassion in action. This is how we love, Buddha-style: impartial to all, free from excessive attachment or false hope and expectation; accepting, tolerant, and forgiving. Buddhist nonattachment doesn't imply complacence or indifference, or not having committed relationships or being passionately engaged with society, but rather has to do with our effort to defy change and resist the fact of impermanence and our mortality. By holding on to that which in any case is forever slipping through our fingers, we just get rope burn.
Buddhist love is based on recognizing our fundamental interconnectedness and knowing that all beings are like ourselves in wanting and needing happiness, safety, fulfillment, and not wanting suffering and misery. The Dalai Lama says, "If you want to be wisely selfish, care for others." All the happiness and virtue in this world comes from selflessness and generosity, all the sorrow from egotism, selfishness, and greed.
The immaculate image of Buddhist love is the four-armed Avalokitsevara, known as Chenrayzig in Tibet and Kuan Yin in China. Each of his/her four arms represent one of the Four Boundless Attitudes, and each one of her four radiant faces or aspects - peaceful, magnetizing, powerful, and fierce-express one of the four styles or modes of active compassion.
We might, for example, think of Buddhist spirituality as peace-loving, calm, virtuous and nonviolent; but in the case of a child or a pet running into the street, the active sides of compassion's calm heart spontaneously blaze forth, even as the loving center remains unchanged. Thus, the selfless Bodhisattva could possibly use force for the greater good, to protect, or to prevent harm and so forth, and need not be passive in the face of danger or when there is need for skillful, appropriate action.
The first arm of Buddhist love is maitri or lovingkindness, a boundless feeling of friendliness and wishing well for others. Maitri, or metta in the Pali language, implies friendliness: befriending and accepting yourself, your body and mind, and the world.
The second is karuna, or compassion, empathy, being moved by feeling what others feel. The third arm is upeksha, equanimity, recognizing the equality of all that lives. This recognition leads to the wisdom of detachment but not indifference or complacence, which are its near enemies.
The fourth arm is mudita, spiritual joy and satisfaction. This includes rejoicing in the virtue and success of others, -- the antidote to envy and jealousy.
The essence of Buddhist relationship is to cultivate the cling-free relationship, enriched with caring and equanimity. It is helpful in intimate relationships to communicate honestly, stay present, tell the truth of your experience using I-statements rather than accusations and judgments, and honor the other enough to show up with an open heart and mind and really listen.
Passion becomes compassion when we bring it into the path, when we recognize every moment in life as a possibility of awakening. Human love and sexual consummation can be like the tip of the iceberg of divine love, an ecstatic intimation of eternity, a portal to infinite depths of the groundlessness and boundarylessness that transports us beyond our limited, egoic selves. People often ask me how to find their Soul Mate, or even if I believe in such a concept. I think that rather than focusing on past lives or on finding the perfect mate in this world, we would generally do better to work on improving and developing ourselves. Make yourself the "perfect" mate, without being too perfectionistic about it, and you will be a good mate with almost anyone. When your heart is pure, your life and the entire world is pure.
We all feel the desire to possess and be possessed, to love and be loved, to connect and be embraced and to belong. However, I think that the most important thing in being together is the tenderness of a good heart. If our relationships aren't nurturing the growth and development of goodness of heart, openness, generosity, authenticity and intimate connection, they are not serving us or furthering a better world.
To truly love people I have learned that I need to let them be, and to love and accept and appreciate them as they are (free of my projections and illusions) and not as how I would like them to be. This is equally true for loving and accepting oneself.
Bhante Henepola Gunaratana writes, in his "Eight Mindful Steps to Happiness: "Whatever attitudes we habitually use toward ourselves, we will use on others, and whatever attitudes we habitually use toward others, we will use on ourselves. The situation is comparable to our serving food to ourselves and to other people from the same bowl. Everyone ends up eating the same thing--we must examine carefully what we are dishing out."
I notice that children let go of anger and would rather be happy than right, unlike so many of us adults. Like them, my dog reminds me that love is a verb, not a noun. Staying present in this very moment, through mindful awareness and paying attention to what is-- rather than dwelling on the past or the future, or on who I think I am and who I imagine others are-- helps free me from excess baggage, anxiety and neurosis - and opens me to love. -
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My Mistake, Baba Ram Das wrote "Be Here Now" This is younger fellow
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Mon, October 5, 2009 - 11:47 AMDevon, I might be a silly idiot.... but I am trying to give you some LOVE.
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